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Re: Pentecost and the Way of the Shaman

nathan — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 05:10:26 -0000

essentially, yes, you hit the nails on the head.

Re: Pentecost and the Way of the Shaman

Gimel — Sat, 25 Oct 2008 22:07:47 -0000

Yes. You are indeed on the right track. Jesus displays in his character the aspects of shamanism par excellence. But not only this, he is inviting us into the shamanic experience ie: rapture. The path he prescribes is renunciation of life in the physical world for gaining the ability to experience the larger reality with all them various Shamanic planes of existence ever closer to God.

Re: Pentecost and the Way of the Shaman

PhilWyman — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:29:04 -0000

Hey Naliah,

Good to see you here. Bless you.

Re: Pentecost and the Way of the Shaman

naliahmendezcairns — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:16:34 -0000

Act2 scene 2 of "The Crucible by Miller. (taken from an online summary)

"John says reluctantly that he will go and speak with Abby, but he is angry that his wife will not drop this mistake that he made by having an affair with Abby. "'I'll plead no more! I see now your spirit twists around the single error of my life, and I will never tear it free!'"

Verse 11 of Pentecost and the way of the Shaman by Pastor Phil

"Through Pentecost I walk on the other side of the veil, which hides the unseen realm from my physical eyes. I speak the language of angels, and pursue the voice of God in the winds of His Spirit."

On the seventh day after the resurrection of Jesus the savior the spirit of God's holy spirit decends upon the 12 apostles..Pentecost.

Drums and the shaman would really add a nice touch to that moment. I think this writter has a wonderful way with words and deserves the award he's won.

Love,
Na

Re: Pentecost and the Way of the Shaman

Beth — Sun, 15 Jun 2008 09:33:58 -0000

Thank you, Rose--well-said!

Re: Pentecost and the Way of the Shaman

markvans — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:00:01 -0000

For some reason, when I reposted this article, the comments (which are hosted by Disqus) got "cut off". If you want to read previous comments, go here:

http://jesusmanifesto.disqus.com/pentecost_and_...

Re: Pentecost and the Way of the Shaman

markvans — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:52:11 -0000

You are welcome, sir.

Re: Pentecost and the Way of the Shaman

PhilWyman — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 16:38:09 -0000

Beth and Rose,

Thank you. Beth - No not tired - in fact I have found the interaction lively and intelligent. Rose - If anyone would get some cynghanedd in there it would be you.

Re: Pentecost and the Way of the Shaman

Rose Wolf — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:19:05 -0000

Dear Phil:

Congratulations on your capture of the grand prize in the JM Pentecost Essay contest! One more plank has been placed, not in a mere parochial party platform, but rather in the bridge you've striven--at considerable personal and professional cost--to build between the Christian and Pagan communities here in Salem. The Carpenter would approve!

I believe the experiences of the Pagan Shaman and the Christian Mystic are not merely similar but identical in nature, purpose, and outcome. Both involve the emptying-out of the self in order that one may become a conduit for the life and love of Spirit seeking to manifest in the world. My friend Ronnie McPhail, the Scottish "soul doctor" who healed me during my time in Edinburgh and who combines both traditions in his own practices, would certainly agree. The world has great need--now, perhaps, more than ever--of faiths whose demonstration demands the setting aside of the individual ego (and thus of the desire to dominate others) in order to hear and speak what the Source of All would have us do--and be.

As usual, the mystical poets express such an otherwise-inexpressible experience best and most beautifully. Since you're reading Welsh and learning its verse-forms, here's a bit of Gerard Manley Hopkins along those "lines:"

Beyond saying sweet, past telling of tongue,
Thou art lightning and love, I found it, a winter and warm...
--Hopkins, "The Wreck of the DEUTSCHLAND"

And T.S. Eliot, whom most readers associate with the negative, nihiistic sentiments of his early work, "The Waste Land," became a Christian in later life and did some of his finest writing in a spiritual mode. He had evidently had a "baptism by fire" of his own, or he could not have penned this unforgettable image of the point where the Divine and the mortal intersect in the instant of mystical rapture: "The Fire and the Rose are one."

Once again, hurrah for your capture and many more soaring raptures, with Blessed Be from your Christian Witch,

ROSE WOLF

Re: Pentecost and the Way of the Shaman

Beth — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 10:08:39 -0000

First to congratulate you, Phil, on your overall grand prize for this great piece. Hope you're not tired of the hoopla!

Thanks again for putting your soul out there in such a remarkable way.

Beth