hahaha, at last those conservatives found a gospel that fulfills their theology. Thanks God this was a satire.
David Brush
· 1 year ago
that was tight, creepy, but tight.
corey
· 1 year ago
you emergent people are always twisting Scripture to make it say whatever you want... :)
mountainguy
· 1 year ago
hahaha, at last those conservatives found a gospel that fulfills their theology. Thanks God this was a satire.
Mark Van Steenwyk
· 1 year ago
mountainguy: To be fair, I rip on liberals too. :)
Ok. This will be interesting. Most of the satires I've written have ended up confusing at least one person who thinks it is real. I wonder if that will happen this time.
Erik
· 1 year ago
I was reading that in Google reader and didn't see the satire tag. I thought it was legit until the last part. Thank God that was satire.
Man I love the Sermon on the Mount. Our picture of Jesus could be very different without this defining passage. Luckily, we have 3 other gospels ;)
David Brush
· 1 year ago
that was tight, creepy, but tight.
corey
· 1 year ago
you emergent people are always twisting Scripture to make it say whatever you want... :)
Mark Van Steenwyk
· 1 year ago
mountainguy: To be fair, I rip on liberals too. :)
Ok. This will be interesting. Most of the satires I've written have ended up confusing at least one person who thinks it is real. I wonder if that will happen this time.
Erik
· 1 year ago
I was reading that in Google reader and didn't see the satire tag. I thought it was legit until the last part. Thank God that was satire.
Man I love the Sermon on the Mount. Our picture of Jesus could be very different without this defining passage. Luckily, we have 3 other gospels ;)
Rick
· 1 year ago
Didn't see "satire" either, but the different responses were just stereotypical enough to be wrong. Or right - and tight, that's a good descriptor, too.
Jordan Peacock
· 1 year ago
It's not the 'conservatives' that were as weird for me as the people who said that who Jesus is/was does not affect their plans of action whatsoever.
If I could reasonably put together a gospel sans Jesus I would - it would be so much easier to work with. Nevertheless to do so is remove the very heart of the faith. You end up with a shell of behaviour patterns without the strength to live them or the faith to rest on.
Luke
· 1 year ago
That was hilarious. The last two paragraphs are priceless.
wezlo
· 1 year ago
Wow, that would give the onion a run for it's money.
Rick
· 1 year ago
Didn't see "satire" either, but the different responses were just stereotypical enough to be wrong. Or right - and tight, that's a good descriptor, too.
Jordan Peacock
· 1 year ago
It's not the 'conservatives' that were as weird for me as the people who said that who Jesus is/was does not affect their plans of action whatsoever.
If I could reasonably put together a gospel sans Jesus I would - it would be so much easier to work with. Nevertheless to do so is remove the very heart of the faith. You end up with a shell of behaviour patterns without the strength to live them or the faith to rest on.
Luke
· 1 year ago
That was hilarious. The last two paragraphs are priceless.
Jason Barr
· 1 year ago
Is the accompanying image the Ryland papyrus, p52?
mountainguy
· 1 year ago
Well, both conservatives and liberals support capitalism.
greetings
mountainguy
· 1 year ago
Well, both conservatives and liberals support capitalism (actually known as neoliberalism)
greetings
wezlo
· 1 year ago
Wow, that would give the onion a run for it's money.
Ryan Georgioff
· 1 year ago
That had me at first. I was seriously reeling. Good play, sir. Genuinely terrific satire.
Jason Barr
· 1 year ago
Is the accompanying image the Ryland papyrus, p52?
mountainguy
· 1 year ago
Well, both conservatives and liberals support capitalism.
greetings
mountainguy
· 1 year ago
Well, both conservatives and liberals support capitalism (actually known as neoliberalism)
greetings
Ryan Georgioff
· 1 year ago
That had me at first. I was seriously reeling. Good play, sir. Genuinely terrific satire.
tripp fuller
· 1 year ago
hilarious!
ryan
· 1 year ago
Wow... on one hand i think you are a jerk for not putting the "satire" tag in bigger letters. On the other hand I think you are a genius for this hilarious satire.
tripp fuller
· 1 year ago
hilarious!
ryan
· 1 year ago
Wow... on one hand i think you are a jerk for not putting the "satire" tag in bigger letters. On the other hand I think you are a genius for this hilarious satire.
Mark Van Steenwyk
· 1 year ago
It is indeed p52! Good eye.
Mark Van Steenwyk
· 1 year ago
It is indeed p52! Good eye.
Jason Barr
· 1 year ago
We read from an image of it in my Greek class, so I thought I recognized it. That was pretty cool, but not nearly as cool as when we got to go to London and actually read from Codices Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus in their display case (we were already in England at the time, so it's not like we flew across the ocean just to read from the two manuscripts).
Jason Barr
· 1 year ago
Err, by the way, nice job with the satire - I thought it did a good job of highlighting problems with some styles of both conservatives and liberals.
Jason Barr
· 1 year ago
We read from an image of it in my Greek class, so I thought I recognized it. That was pretty cool, but not nearly as cool as when we got to go to London and actually read from Codices Sinaiticus and Alexandrinus in their display case (we were already in England at the time, so it's not like we flew across the ocean just to read from the two manuscripts).
Jason Barr
· 1 year ago
Err, by the way, nice job with the satire - I thought it did a good job of highlighting problems with some styles of both conservatives and liberals.
Mark, I would remember that not everyone reads this on your site. Google Reader as example does not display "satire". Undiscerning readers may get pretty scared, as did Jerry. I actually didn't take it as satire until today when I read it on your blog. It's the fine line of satire.
Mark Van Steenwyk
· 1 year ago
I get it, Jonathan. But if someone has Jesus Manifesto in their RSS feed, you'd think they'd eventually realize that there is a 1/10 chance that it is satire. If I write "SATIRE" in bold letters at the top of every post, it will take away the power that satire has...that you don't know it is satire until the end, or until you reflect upon it.
I suppose, I could write "by the way...this was a work of satire" at the end of each post. That would be a middle ground, I suppose.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this?
Jonathan Brink
· 1 year ago
Mark, I would remember that not everyone reads this on your site. Google Reader as example does not display "satire". Undiscerning readers may get pretty scared, as did Jerry. I actually didn't take it as satire until today when I read it on your blog. It's the fine line of satire.
Mark Van Steenwyk
· 1 year ago
I get it, Jonathan. But if someone has Jesus Manifesto in their RSS feed, you'd think they'd eventually realize that there is a 1/10 chance that it is satire. If I write "SATIRE" in bold letters at the top of every post, it will take away the power that satire has...that you don't know it is satire until the end, or until you reflect upon it.
I suppose, I could write "by the way...this was a work of satire" at the end of each post. That would be a middle ground, I suppose.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this?
Ryan Georgioff
· 1 year ago
Yeah I would encourage you to add that it is a work of satire at the end.
Ryan Georgioff
· 1 year ago
Yeah I would encourage you to add that it is a work of satire at the end.
Jordan Peacock
· 1 year ago
I use Google reader as well; a small trailer would be wise. Without it I would not be surprised to one day see some poor undiscerning news source running with one of our satirical pieces. It has happened before, just not to JM.
Jordan Peacock
· 1 year ago
I use Google reader as well; a small trailer would be wise. Without it I would not be surprised to one day see some poor undiscerning news source running with one of our satirical pieces. It has happened before, just not to JM.
Michael Cline
· 1 year ago
It's either some sort of tag line, or you are going to see some video on you tube trying to disclaim your Christianity. :) pick your poison
Michael Cline
· 1 year ago
It's either some sort of tag line, or you are going to see some video on you tube trying to disclaim your Christianity. :) pick your poison
Jonathan Brink
· 1 year ago
Mark, I love satire and think you write it well. But satire is a typically, but not always, based on making fun of something that is absurd in general. This post skirted those lines. It didn't appear to make fun of something. Although several people found the last two paragraphs funny.
I actually spent an entire day thinking about this, which was a great exercise, because I didn't get that it was satire.
Regardless, I think you'll find a good solution.
Mark Van Steenwyk
· 1 year ago
Thanks Jonathan.
Regarding the "satire-ishness" of this article. The satire all hinges in the responses at the end. I'm exploiting the stereotypes of liberals and conservatives by making liberals ambivalent to the discovery and making conservatives happy about it.
I guess my level of skepticism is so naturally high that I always assume my works of satire are easily distinguishable as such. I think I'll end each work of satire with an editor's note.
Jonathan Brink
· 1 year ago
Mark, I love satire and think you write it well. But satire is a typically, but not always, based on making fun of something that is absurd in general. This post skirted those lines. It didn't appear to make fun of something. Although several people found the last two paragraphs funny.
I actually spent an entire day thinking about this, which was a great exercise, because I didn't get that it was satire.
Regardless, I think you'll find a good solution.
Mark Van Steenwyk
· 1 year ago
Thanks Jonathan.
Regarding the "satire-ishness" of this article. The satire all hinges in the responses at the end. I'm exploiting the stereotypes of liberals and conservatives by making liberals ambivalent to the discovery and making conservatives happy about it.
I guess my level of skepticism is so naturally high that I always assume my works of satire are easily distinguishable as such. I think I'll end each work of satire with an editor's note.
SKS
· 1 year ago
Hi. Nicely done. I didn't see that this was a satire until reading the comments - but it didn't matter. Obviously false. Even if some ancient text was found recording this, it should be clear that the ancient chronicler would be misquoting to suit his own purpose - Because, the message is so completely inconsistent with all other texts & and any other record describing Jesus' life and teaching. Or any wise teaching. The 'message' in the satire is what all too many people slip into anyway - hardly requires anyone to teach it. Is the next "manuscript" going to have Jesus passing by the nasty crowd with the adulturess, and saying to them: "ok, you who has the most sins, throw the first stone!?" Uh, God sends his Son to create a new covenant with humanity (or just an extraordinary human teacher), who says ... "if someone pushes you, push the bugger back harder." Don't think so.
SKS
· 1 year ago
Hi. Nicely done. I didn't see that this was a satire until reading the comments - but it didn't matter. Obviously false. Even if some ancient text was found recording this, it should be clear that the ancient chronicler would be misquoting to suit his own purpose - Because, the message is so completely inconsistent with all other texts & and any other record describing Jesus' life and teaching. Or any wise teaching. The 'message' in the satire is what all too many people slip into anyway - hardly requires anyone to teach it. Is the next "manuscript" going to have Jesus passing by the nasty crowd with the adulturess, and saying to them: "ok, you who has the most sins, throw the first stone!?" Uh, God sends his Son to create a new covenant with humanity (or just an extraordinary human teacher), who says ... "if someone pushes you, push the bugger back harder." Don't think so.
Monk-in-Training
· 1 year ago
I loved how you gored the ox of the conservatives and liberals with the same message. Very good.
Monk-in-Training
· 1 year ago
I loved how you gored the ox of the conservatives and liberals with the same message. Very good.
All Comments
Ok. This will be interesting. Most of the satires I've written have ended up confusing at least one person who thinks it is real. I wonder if that will happen this time.
Man I love the Sermon on the Mount. Our picture of Jesus could be very different without this defining passage. Luckily, we have 3 other gospels ;)
Ok. This will be interesting. Most of the satires I've written have ended up confusing at least one person who thinks it is real. I wonder if that will happen this time.
Man I love the Sermon on the Mount. Our picture of Jesus could be very different without this defining passage. Luckily, we have 3 other gospels ;)
If I could reasonably put together a gospel sans Jesus I would - it would be so much easier to work with. Nevertheless to do so is remove the very heart of the faith. You end up with a shell of behaviour patterns without the strength to live them or the faith to rest on.
If I could reasonably put together a gospel sans Jesus I would - it would be so much easier to work with. Nevertheless to do so is remove the very heart of the faith. You end up with a shell of behaviour patterns without the strength to live them or the faith to rest on.
greetings
greetings
greetings
greetings
Is there a real news source for this at all.
Is this just somebody's idea of a joke?
Please send to me reliable credible news sourses.
Thanks, Jerry Ebner cwomaha@gmail.com
Is there a real news source for this at all.
Is this just somebody's idea of a joke?
Please send to me reliable credible news sourses.
Thanks, Jerry Ebner cwomaha@gmail.com
I suppose, I could write "by the way...this was a work of satire" at the end of each post. That would be a middle ground, I suppose.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this?
I suppose, I could write "by the way...this was a work of satire" at the end of each post. That would be a middle ground, I suppose.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this?
I actually spent an entire day thinking about this, which was a great exercise, because I didn't get that it was satire.
Regardless, I think you'll find a good solution.
Regarding the "satire-ishness" of this article. The satire all hinges in the responses at the end. I'm exploiting the stereotypes of liberals and conservatives by making liberals ambivalent to the discovery and making conservatives happy about it.
I guess my level of skepticism is so naturally high that I always assume my works of satire are easily distinguishable as such. I think I'll end each work of satire with an editor's note.
I actually spent an entire day thinking about this, which was a great exercise, because I didn't get that it was satire.
Regardless, I think you'll find a good solution.
Regarding the "satire-ishness" of this article. The satire all hinges in the responses at the end. I'm exploiting the stereotypes of liberals and conservatives by making liberals ambivalent to the discovery and making conservatives happy about it.
I guess my level of skepticism is so naturally high that I always assume my works of satire are easily distinguishable as such. I think I'll end each work of satire with an editor's note.
I didn't see that this was a satire until reading the comments - but it didn't matter. Obviously false.
Even if some ancient text was found recording this, it should be clear that the ancient chronicler would be misquoting to suit his own purpose - Because, the message is so completely inconsistent with all other texts & and any other record describing Jesus' life and teaching. Or any wise teaching.
The 'message' in the satire is what all too many people slip into anyway - hardly requires anyone to teach it.
Is the next "manuscript" going to have Jesus passing by the nasty crowd with the adulturess, and saying to them: "ok, you who has the most sins, throw the first stone!?"
Uh, God sends his Son to create a new covenant with humanity (or just an extraordinary human teacher), who says ... "if someone pushes you, push the bugger back harder." Don't think so.
I didn't see that this was a satire until reading the comments - but it didn't matter. Obviously false.
Even if some ancient text was found recording this, it should be clear that the ancient chronicler would be misquoting to suit his own purpose - Because, the message is so completely inconsistent with all other texts & and any other record describing Jesus' life and teaching. Or any wise teaching.
The 'message' in the satire is what all too many people slip into anyway - hardly requires anyone to teach it.
Is the next "manuscript" going to have Jesus passing by the nasty crowd with the adulturess, and saying to them: "ok, you who has the most sins, throw the first stone!?"
Uh, God sends his Son to create a new covenant with humanity (or just an extraordinary human teacher), who says ... "if someone pushes you, push the bugger back harder." Don't think so.